Two of the 16, Kipp Nelson and Erin Wagner, confirmed for UM News that they were the openly gay candidates at the center of the debate, though not by name, during the June 9 clergy session.
“It’s heart-wrenching to be one of the unnamed LGBTQ people in the room who’s being discussed. That’s a really uncomfortable place to be,” said Nelson, already a licensed local pastor serving St. John’s on the Lake United Methodist Church in Miami Beach.
Nelson, who began his journey toward elder ordination in 2015, added that he was “feeling the weight” of the entire group getting blocked for what he described as “hate for us LGBTQ people.”
Wagner, a social worker and outpatient therapist who is on the deacon track and graduated from Boston University School of Theology, said she was “heartbroken” for all the blocked candidates.
“We are all already serving the conference, local churches, hospitals and non-profits, and this decision neither affirms the work we are already doing nor allows us to take the steps necessary to advance in our calls and careers,” Wagner said. “The implications are emotional, financial and ethical.”
Though clergy session debate focused on two gay candidates, a third, Anna Swygert, told UM News that she has been open about her same-sex orientation, although not active on social media about it. She said she wanted to be grouped with Wagner and Nelson.
“It is particularly important, because there is so little LGBTQ representation in religious spaces, to have examples of LGBTQ people living out their calling,” said Swygert, who is working toward ordination as a deacon. She currently is assistant director of a hospital-based palliative care program for adolescents, as well as director of community engagement at the Gator Wesley Foundation, the United Methodist ministry at the University of Florida.
Though most of the Florida Conference meeting was held at Florida Southern College, the clergy session occurred at First United Methodist Church of Lakeland, which Swygert grew up attending.
“This took place in the sanctuary of my home church … the place where my parents were married, I was baptized, I was confirmed, my father’s funeral was held, and his cremation (remains) site lies,” she posted on Facebook. “It was indescribably painful for this battle to be fought in my home.”
The Florida Conference clergy session’s vote was much discussed on social media and was protested at some other U.S. annual conference meetings late last week. The UM Young Clergywomen’s Collective posted an open letter criticizing the vote.
“We are clearly a long way away from learning what it means to embody (Methodism’s founder John) Wesley’s first General Rule: ‘Do no harm,’” the letter says.
Traditionalist Florida clergy joined in expressions of unhappiness.
“What happened Thursday morning (at the clergy session) was not a ‘win’ for anybody at all,” said the Rev. David deSilva, a Florida Conference elder and professor of New Testament and Greek at Ashland Theological Seminary, in a widely shared Facebook post. “It was a grievous, lamentable situation.”
But deSilva, in his post, said the blame belongs with the conference’s board of ordained ministry for recommending gay candidates despite the church’s official teachings on homosexuality and related restrictions on ordination.
“The board was doing this knowingly, putting the clergy of the annual conference in a position to act in defiance of the covenant that we, as clergy, have sworn to uphold, which includes abiding by the decisions of General Conference as detailed in the Book of Discipline,” deSilva wrote.
The Rev. Jack Jackson, another Florida Conference elder and a traditionalist and seminary professor, said the conference is clearly on a progressive path but that the board and conference leaders acted too soon in putting forward gay candidates.
“Clearly conference leadership and the board of ordained ministry overestimated current support for the ordination of LGBTQIA persons,” he said by email. “They acted presumptuously, and in the process harmed the persons up for commissioning, as well as all the clergy and conference as a whole.”
Carter declined to respond to the criticism. But another of the 16 candidates, Lucas Bonates, did.
“I could not believe that some clergy would affront the Book of Discipline by disrespecting the work of the local churches, the district superintendent, district committee on ministry and board of ordained ministry who really know each candidate, see the fruit of their ministries and affirmed their call,” said Bonates, a native of Brazil, who serves as associate pastor of First United Methodist Church in Coral Gables, Florida.
Bonates, who went to Asbury Theological Seminary, described himself as theologically orthodox but said he is “being transformed” by the example of LGBTQ colleagues.
“I work with one of the candidates, Kipp Nelson, and his testimony, his love and service towards others made me realize God has a purpose for his life,” Bonates said.
Nelson himself pushed back against the argument that clergy conference members were bound by the Book of Discipline to vote against approving him and the others.
“This is a justice issue, and there are countless examples in Scripture when rules were broken for the sake of justice, and Jesus modeled that for us better than any other,” he said.
Carter reported to the conference that the clergy session had a first vote of about 70 percent for approval. The clergy agreed on taking a second vote, but the result was about 72 percent in favor, a handful of votes short of the needed margin.
Some clergy said there was an unsuccessful effort to have a vote on individual candidates.
The United Methodist Church has faced division over LGBTQ inclusion for decades, with increasing defiance in the U.S. of restrictions on same-sex weddings and ordination.
The Florida Conference met as the pace of local churches seeking to leave The United Methodist Church has quickened, with some going to a new traditionalist denomination, the Global Methodist Church.
Last week, the Florida Conference approved 14 local church disaffiliations, and Carter said clergy planning to leave were prominent in the debate about gay candidates for provisional membership.
“The great majority of the voices who spoke in the clergy session, either against their candidacy or against processes leading to their candidacy, were among those who are in formal processes of departing from our church,” Carter said. “I say this not as a disparagement but as a historical fact. A smaller number of these voices have departed since the clergy session earlier this week.”
Traditionalists said the Florida Conference and the denomination generally should ease the disaffiliation path for churches and clergy who oppose what traditionalists see as the inevitable embrace of full LGBTQ inclusion by The United Methodist Church.
“The message we’d like to communicate is that we’d like to be let go in a fair and amicable way, and really all this (conflict) could stop,” said the Rev. Jeremy Rebman, president of the traditionalist Wesleyan Covenant Association Florida Chapter.
The Florida Conference is pointing toward a special annual conference later this year to consider other local church disaffiliation requests. There could also be an earlier-than-usual clergy session, so that provisional membership candidates won’t have to wait until the 2023 Florida Conference gathering for another vote.
“We are reflecting on a process that will not do more harm and that will truly serve the candidates, the annual conference and by extension the mission of the church,” Carter told UM News. “We will listen to a number of stakeholders in exploring a clergy session in the nearer term.”
The bishop noted at the June 11 service, which was livestreamed, that the controversy had attracted attention well beyond Florida.
“To those outside of Florida who may be worshipping with us today, who have been observing and praying and reflecting, I want to say simply, this is a conference filled with awesome people,” he said.
Nelson, Wagner and Swygert stressed that many had reached out to them since the clergy session.
“The level of support I’ve received, both in the immediate aftermath and in the ongoing impact, has been a true gift,” Wagner said. “It is because of this love that I am able to remain faithful to my call.”
Hodges is a Dallas-based writer for United Methodist News. Contact him at 615-742-5470 or newsdesk@umcom.org. To read more United Methodist news, subscribe to the free Daily or Weekly Digests.
